"End the occupation" is a simple slogan, but what is the substance behind it? In this essay, part three in a series, an Israeli tour educator explains the Palestinian point of view.
I'm waiting for the next installment in this series. Thank you for your clear writing style. I want to know the hardest part--how do these disparate perspectives reconcile. 🌱🌿
"Palestine should have remained a single territorial unit, led by the Arab majority." I guess that sounds logical but you haven't yet factored in that "wars have consequences", especially when the other side started the war and lost. Wars are very costly in terms of human life and physical material. My New Zealand grandfather died fighting to liberate the Holy Land, and he is buried in the British Military Cemetery near Jerusalem. I'm speaking on his behalf, and on behalf of all the other ANZACS who didn't return to their families.
You also haven't yet mentioned the San Remo Conference of 1920, which incorporated the Balfour Agreement, or the high representation of Jewish men fighting in WWI, and the other Jewish support which earned the indigenous Jews the right to reconstitute their ancestral homeland, should the Allied Powers be fortunate enough to win the war. You also haven't mentioned that the Hejazi Arabs (not the Arabs of Palestine who fought with the Ottoman Turks or stayed neutral, but the ones from Arabia) were granted self-determination in 99% of the carved-up Ottoman Middle East land. Those countries today are Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Jordan, some with huge oil and gas resources. Israel is tiny and has few natural resources.
It's great that one-fifth of Israeli citizens today are Arabs who have equal rights with Jews. Their families made a good choice to accept life in the newly independent state of Israel. But those Arabs who were living in Palestine in 1948, a large number who had only arrived as "economic migrants" after 1920 when the British and Jewish people created economic opportunities, should have been encouraged to move to one of the Arab countries, or elsewhere, if they didn't accept the Jewish state of Israel then, or they still don't accept it.
Compare the situation in Israel with the enforced population exchange of 1.5 million Greeks and Turks to create the new state of Turkiye in 1924. Compare Israel with the 16+ South Asians who moved countries to create the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in 1947. And please don't forget the 800,000 Jews who were exiled from, or were persecuted and had to flee their multi-generational homes in the Arab lands after the creation of the Jewish state leaving behind huge wealth in property and businesses.
I appreciate your work in educating people, and I'm looking forward to your next essay. I travel in Muslim-majority countries and I was close by in Dahab Sinai on October 7, and during the 2021 Gaza War, so I have considerable experience of Middle East thinking.
PS: I love your daily briefings on the Israeli Citizens Spokespersons' channel.
Thank you for reading and for your kind words about my daily briefings. I must emphasize that your argument is not with me. In your comment you wrote phrases like "you haven't factored in" and "you haven't mentioned." I am sharing the Palestinian perspective. If you think I have been unfaithful to the Palestinian perspective and have presented it in a manner that Palestinians would disagree with, then I am open to criticism. If you don't like the Palestinian perspective, you'll have to take it up with Palestinians.
My apologies, Daniel. I didn't realise you were only relating the history from the Arab perspective. Shouldn't the Arabs of Palestine have had more information about the broader political situation? They seemed to have had a very well-informed Mufti.
And, foolish colonial efforts at partitioning land that belongs to others have consequences too. Not a single one of colonial Britain’s partitioning efforts turned out well and one has to wonder what gave Britain the right to issue the idiotic Balfour declaration at the same time that TE Lawrence was promising, with the British army’s approval, exactly the opposite to the Palestinians. Add to that the idiotic Sykes-Pico agreement and the regrettable sin of partitioning land that did not belong to Great Britain.
You might want to read the terrific book, “Lawrence in Arabia“. It will open your eyes on some things.
We seem to easily forget that it was not the Palestinians who were responsible for the holocaust. It was Europeans, with 90% of the blame attributable to Germany. The sensible solution rather than sending white Europeans to occupy Palestine would’ve been to take 25 or 30% of Germany (perhaps the entire Baltic coast region) away from Germany and created the Jewish state there. Curiously, the amazing decision was made that the Palestinian indigenous Arabs should pay the price for the holocaust while the Germans were given the benefit of being propped up by the Marshall plan. So now we have in Israel a country that is remarkably dependent on endless American charity and that cannot find a way to exist peacefully with its tribal cousins, from whom it continues to illegally steal land and homes in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.
You might call the partitioning "foolish" but what world power would knowingly keep their opposition in a position of strength? Knowing they could easily regroup and fight again? And why shouldn't the Allies return the indigenous Jews to their righful position as guardians of the Holy Land? Especially when that land has such great ideological, religious, historic, and strategic value to the Judeo-Christian West? Wars have consequences, especially when your side starts the war. Wars are also expensive to wage in both material terms and in human lives (my NZ grandfather died liberating the Holy Land from Islamic control) so those on the losing side don't get to call the shots.
In 1918 the Allied Powers DEFEATED the Ottoman Turks and the Arabs of Palestine. The Allies were under NO legal obligation to give up any of the land that the Ottoman Caliphate ceded (handed over) to them in the Armistice Agreement of WWI. The British and French could have kept all of the land.
In a spirit of democracy and of fading empires, the Allies gave up the land to the occupants for self-determination. The League of Nations granted 99% of the carved-up Ottoman Middle East land to the Arabs of the Hejaz in return for their support in the war effort, fighting alongside Lawrence of Arabia. True, they didn't get 100% of the land for their nationalist movement, but this result was accepted at the San Remo Conference in 1920 by the Hejazi leaders of the time. And much of their land turned out to be very rich in oil.
The indigenous Jewish people also fought in WWI with the Allies in return for the promise of territory. The League of Nations in 1922 acknowledged the "continuous connection of the Jewish people to the land" and gave them the legally binding right to reconstitute THEIR ancestral homeland in 1% of the carved-up Ottoman Middle East land 'from the Jordan river to the sea', effectively incorporating the Balfour Agreement into the British Mandate for Palestine. One-fifth of Israeli citizens today are Arabs and other minorities who have equal rights with Israeli Jews. Their families made a good decision to accept life in the Jewish state in 1948.
Do you begrudge the indigenous Jewish people returning to their ancestral homeland? Even when you know the valuable contribution that the Jewish people have made to the world? Maybe you are holding the indigenous Jewish peoples to a different standard than other indigenous peoples? There's a term for that...🙄
Finally, the Holocaust is irrelevant to the carving-up of the Middle East after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire in WWI, so what's your point in bringing it up here?
I see the person you're responding to has already tipped their hand, engaging in cherry-picking quotes from former Israeli leaders to emphasize their ahistorical and frankly, bigoted claims. It's exhausting talking to people who insist on you accepting their alternative facts so they can feel like they've proved you wrong.
What they are doing, specifically, appears to be _[Jewashing](https://agamemnon1993.substack.com/p/jewashing)_. It's based in "racial science", in the same vein as phrenology and with just as much legitimacy.
“And why shouldn't the Allies return the indigenous Jews to their righful position as guardians of the Holy Land?”
Perhaps because the original premise for Israel, as loudly espoused by the American Golda Meir, that Palestine was “a land without people for people without land” was absolutely and completely bogus. The indigenous people of Palestine lived on land and homes that had been belonged to their families for generations and they were violently driven from that land, most often by terrorism (the same Jewish terrorism that made the British want to wash their hands Pontius Pilate style of the whole thing) what would make Jews guardians of our holy land, as opposed to, say, Christians given the reality of the new covenant offered by the Jewish Carpenter which extended God‘s grace to everyone in the world rather than just a small subset of people in a very small area? it’s also useful to remember that Jerusalem contains the third holiest site in Islam.
There are so many logical errors in what you say that I can’t even start to address them. A reminder. The Palestinians were not responsible for the holocaust yet they were made to pay the price for the holocaust. The Palestinians are indigenous to Palestine and have lived there for 100 generations or more on an uninterrupted basis. Most European Jews were Ashkenazis, who emanated from the area between the Black and Caspian seas and had minimal DNA related claims to Palestine (this is the primary reason why the government of Israel is so vigorously opposed to DNA testing). The Germans were almost completely responsible for the holocaust and yet they paid very little price in terms of giving up their land while the Palestinians were forced by distant countries, almost completely white European countries, to pay a huge price.
Wars do indeed have consequences. This is why the United States has taken such huge possession of France, the Benelux countries, Italy and Germany and made them American territories where Americans have special ethnic preferences over the indigenous people of those countries. Right?
You forgot to add that the Arabs left their homes under the orders of their Muslim leaders, with a view to slaughtering all the Jews and returning in a few weeks. The Jews won, though.
You also didn’t mention that the majority of “Palestinians” came from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey and other surrounding countries, as signified by their surnames - Al Masri, al Labni etc. They came looking for work and money in the building process of Israel.
Islam plays a huge role in this dispute too. Muslims have an ideology that says they can never, ever relinquish land they have colonised.
I appreciate the effort, especially to the detail. This is our problem, we an exercise in logic matters, in Jewish culture it does, it Arab culture it doesn't.
We're Jews, we talk people to death, even Moses on Sinai talked to much.
The truth is that the Palestinians love death in their support of Hamas. Palestinians have trained their children to hate Jews and to seek to die for Allah as they kill jews or non Muslims. If the Palestinians laid down their weapons they would have peace. But if Israel were to lay down their weapons they would be massacred. That's the simple truth! You can't have peace with those who wish you dead. Wake up, understand the idealogy of radical Islam that it cannot coexist with those who will not convert to Islam and become slaves obeying without questions those who rule over them.
And the problem is that this hatred towards Jews and infidels is not only taught to the Palestinian Arabs but it's one of the main pillars of Quran teachings.
Freedom of religion is not in their book. Peace with infidels is neither, unless the infidel converts to islam - in order to save its life.
According to the Quran:
- Jews are considered the ultimate sinners
- Jews are accused of having altered the Torah
- Jews have refused to accept and submit to Mohamed & his ideology
- Jews are therefore legitimid targets to be killed
The ultimate goal of this religious ideology is to spread islam on a global scale. The global caliphate.
Islam literally means SUBMISSION.
One has difficulty to comprehend Islamic teachings and their hatred towards Jews, especially since their Quran teachings are based on the biblical scriptures - beginning with the Torah 🤷🏽♀️
If you want to train people to hate Israeli Jews, you need to do little more than continuously drop 2000 bombs charitably given to Israel by the United States on those people, killing their grandparents, mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers, friends, etc. in the most gruesome way possible. A 2000 pound bomb has a kill radius of 360 meters and a kill diameter that is over seven football fields long. This is not a great way to make people see the merits of your arguments.
Perhaps we could list a series of quotes by the disciples of the terrorist rabbi Meir Kahane, Ben-Gvir and Smotrich (both of them are very senior members in the Israeli cabinet) to see who really worships death and destruction on the basis of pure tribal racism. Until recently, the idiotic Ben-Gvir had a picture of the mass murderer Baruch Goldstein hanging in a place of honor on his living room wall. Some things you just cannot make up nor can you gild the lily on them, Daniel.
As a South Asian, standing up for the Jewish state, I draw some parallels from -70 Years of the Radcliffe Line: Understanding the Story of Indian Partition…
Can the Palestinians stop their dream-
“Keep fighting, Jewish state will be defeated?”
Can there be an end to a holy war, divinely ordained and scripturally sanctioned?
Is complete destruction of Israel as an essential condition for the liberation of Palestine?
In India there are problems too with "radical islamism" . The problem is that islam is radical and does not seek peace. It searches submission by conquests.
PS: I am aware that you are presenting the story as told by the Arabs who lived in Israel while the Jews were in exile. Don’t they themselves factor in the tenets of Islam? As in, kill all the Jews and other nonbelievers?
East Jerusalem as its capital, This is a Turkish Statement (sentiment) Moscow Tehran & Ankara. @Alan Dershowitz The dictators want Ottoman Controlled Middle East just like Russia wants Belarus & Ukraine and China wants Taiwan and South China Sea Dominance
Don’t most Israelis want all of Palestine, including what is now Israel, as their state, with this including East Jerusalem, and Judea and Samaria (the last two equating to what most of us called the West Bank), and Gaza?
Exactly precise 100 % in that case china is the ancestors of all European Civilisation for Europe and Middle East Europe Britain Punished Ottoman Empire basically Mongols for siding with Nazis two times 1Once WWI second WW2. covertly @Alan Dershowitz and Goat herders in the Arabian Peninsula became the Saudis
Israel dances to Hamas' tune. They pay ransom for hostages, and pardon mass murderers on the orders of Hamas. In what can only be described as masochism on a national level, Israel sends former hostages around the world to do personal appearances as if to celebrate Israeli victimhood. Israel should be celebrating it's war heroes instead. When Israel decided to let a thousand killers loose in exchange for one hostage 15 years ago, it meant there was a price on every Israeli's head. Israelis hoped it would be different this time. It's only gotten worse.
This discussion is a foolish waste of time. All prospects for a two state solution died in the mid-90’s when the sort of Israelis who now occupy Netanyahu’s cabinet killed the great Rabin.
The only possible solution now is a one state solution and the questions relate to whether this will be a state devoid of apartheid, Bantustans, land theft by squatters, ethic preferences, and ethnic cleansing. Both tribes in Palestine need to commit to living in peace and they would be wise to recognize that the rest of the world has long since grown tired of their Hutus versus Tutsis Rwanda style routine.
Thank you so much for taking the time to read and leave a comment. I love your passion. I hope you'll share my writing with your friends and family and encourage them to leave comments also. I read them all.
I'm waiting for the next installment in this series. Thank you for your clear writing style. I want to know the hardest part--how do these disparate perspectives reconcile. 🌱🌿
Totally agree. Well said.
"Palestine should have remained a single territorial unit, led by the Arab majority." I guess that sounds logical but you haven't yet factored in that "wars have consequences", especially when the other side started the war and lost. Wars are very costly in terms of human life and physical material. My New Zealand grandfather died fighting to liberate the Holy Land, and he is buried in the British Military Cemetery near Jerusalem. I'm speaking on his behalf, and on behalf of all the other ANZACS who didn't return to their families.
You also haven't yet mentioned the San Remo Conference of 1920, which incorporated the Balfour Agreement, or the high representation of Jewish men fighting in WWI, and the other Jewish support which earned the indigenous Jews the right to reconstitute their ancestral homeland, should the Allied Powers be fortunate enough to win the war. You also haven't mentioned that the Hejazi Arabs (not the Arabs of Palestine who fought with the Ottoman Turks or stayed neutral, but the ones from Arabia) were granted self-determination in 99% of the carved-up Ottoman Middle East land. Those countries today are Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Jordan, some with huge oil and gas resources. Israel is tiny and has few natural resources.
It's great that one-fifth of Israeli citizens today are Arabs who have equal rights with Jews. Their families made a good choice to accept life in the newly independent state of Israel. But those Arabs who were living in Palestine in 1948, a large number who had only arrived as "economic migrants" after 1920 when the British and Jewish people created economic opportunities, should have been encouraged to move to one of the Arab countries, or elsewhere, if they didn't accept the Jewish state of Israel then, or they still don't accept it.
Compare the situation in Israel with the enforced population exchange of 1.5 million Greeks and Turks to create the new state of Turkiye in 1924. Compare Israel with the 16+ South Asians who moved countries to create the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in 1947. And please don't forget the 800,000 Jews who were exiled from, or were persecuted and had to flee their multi-generational homes in the Arab lands after the creation of the Jewish state leaving behind huge wealth in property and businesses.
I appreciate your work in educating people, and I'm looking forward to your next essay. I travel in Muslim-majority countries and I was close by in Dahab Sinai on October 7, and during the 2021 Gaza War, so I have considerable experience of Middle East thinking.
PS: I love your daily briefings on the Israeli Citizens Spokespersons' channel.
Thank you for reading and for your kind words about my daily briefings. I must emphasize that your argument is not with me. In your comment you wrote phrases like "you haven't factored in" and "you haven't mentioned." I am sharing the Palestinian perspective. If you think I have been unfaithful to the Palestinian perspective and have presented it in a manner that Palestinians would disagree with, then I am open to criticism. If you don't like the Palestinian perspective, you'll have to take it up with Palestinians.
My apologies, Daniel. I didn't realise you were only relating the history from the Arab perspective. Shouldn't the Arabs of Palestine have had more information about the broader political situation? They seemed to have had a very well-informed Mufti.
And, foolish colonial efforts at partitioning land that belongs to others have consequences too. Not a single one of colonial Britain’s partitioning efforts turned out well and one has to wonder what gave Britain the right to issue the idiotic Balfour declaration at the same time that TE Lawrence was promising, with the British army’s approval, exactly the opposite to the Palestinians. Add to that the idiotic Sykes-Pico agreement and the regrettable sin of partitioning land that did not belong to Great Britain.
You might want to read the terrific book, “Lawrence in Arabia“. It will open your eyes on some things.
We seem to easily forget that it was not the Palestinians who were responsible for the holocaust. It was Europeans, with 90% of the blame attributable to Germany. The sensible solution rather than sending white Europeans to occupy Palestine would’ve been to take 25 or 30% of Germany (perhaps the entire Baltic coast region) away from Germany and created the Jewish state there. Curiously, the amazing decision was made that the Palestinian indigenous Arabs should pay the price for the holocaust while the Germans were given the benefit of being propped up by the Marshall plan. So now we have in Israel a country that is remarkably dependent on endless American charity and that cannot find a way to exist peacefully with its tribal cousins, from whom it continues to illegally steal land and homes in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.
You might call the partitioning "foolish" but what world power would knowingly keep their opposition in a position of strength? Knowing they could easily regroup and fight again? And why shouldn't the Allies return the indigenous Jews to their righful position as guardians of the Holy Land? Especially when that land has such great ideological, religious, historic, and strategic value to the Judeo-Christian West? Wars have consequences, especially when your side starts the war. Wars are also expensive to wage in both material terms and in human lives (my NZ grandfather died liberating the Holy Land from Islamic control) so those on the losing side don't get to call the shots.
In 1918 the Allied Powers DEFEATED the Ottoman Turks and the Arabs of Palestine. The Allies were under NO legal obligation to give up any of the land that the Ottoman Caliphate ceded (handed over) to them in the Armistice Agreement of WWI. The British and French could have kept all of the land.
In a spirit of democracy and of fading empires, the Allies gave up the land to the occupants for self-determination. The League of Nations granted 99% of the carved-up Ottoman Middle East land to the Arabs of the Hejaz in return for their support in the war effort, fighting alongside Lawrence of Arabia. True, they didn't get 100% of the land for their nationalist movement, but this result was accepted at the San Remo Conference in 1920 by the Hejazi leaders of the time. And much of their land turned out to be very rich in oil.
The indigenous Jewish people also fought in WWI with the Allies in return for the promise of territory. The League of Nations in 1922 acknowledged the "continuous connection of the Jewish people to the land" and gave them the legally binding right to reconstitute THEIR ancestral homeland in 1% of the carved-up Ottoman Middle East land 'from the Jordan river to the sea', effectively incorporating the Balfour Agreement into the British Mandate for Palestine. One-fifth of Israeli citizens today are Arabs and other minorities who have equal rights with Israeli Jews. Their families made a good decision to accept life in the Jewish state in 1948.
Do you begrudge the indigenous Jewish people returning to their ancestral homeland? Even when you know the valuable contribution that the Jewish people have made to the world? Maybe you are holding the indigenous Jewish peoples to a different standard than other indigenous peoples? There's a term for that...🙄
Finally, the Holocaust is irrelevant to the carving-up of the Middle East after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire in WWI, so what's your point in bringing it up here?
I see the person you're responding to has already tipped their hand, engaging in cherry-picking quotes from former Israeli leaders to emphasize their ahistorical and frankly, bigoted claims. It's exhausting talking to people who insist on you accepting their alternative facts so they can feel like they've proved you wrong.
What they are doing, specifically, appears to be _[Jewashing](https://agamemnon1993.substack.com/p/jewashing)_. It's based in "racial science", in the same vein as phrenology and with just as much legitimacy.
“And why shouldn't the Allies return the indigenous Jews to their righful position as guardians of the Holy Land?”
Perhaps because the original premise for Israel, as loudly espoused by the American Golda Meir, that Palestine was “a land without people for people without land” was absolutely and completely bogus. The indigenous people of Palestine lived on land and homes that had been belonged to their families for generations and they were violently driven from that land, most often by terrorism (the same Jewish terrorism that made the British want to wash their hands Pontius Pilate style of the whole thing) what would make Jews guardians of our holy land, as opposed to, say, Christians given the reality of the new covenant offered by the Jewish Carpenter which extended God‘s grace to everyone in the world rather than just a small subset of people in a very small area? it’s also useful to remember that Jerusalem contains the third holiest site in Islam.
There are so many logical errors in what you say that I can’t even start to address them. A reminder. The Palestinians were not responsible for the holocaust yet they were made to pay the price for the holocaust. The Palestinians are indigenous to Palestine and have lived there for 100 generations or more on an uninterrupted basis. Most European Jews were Ashkenazis, who emanated from the area between the Black and Caspian seas and had minimal DNA related claims to Palestine (this is the primary reason why the government of Israel is so vigorously opposed to DNA testing). The Germans were almost completely responsible for the holocaust and yet they paid very little price in terms of giving up their land while the Palestinians were forced by distant countries, almost completely white European countries, to pay a huge price.
Wars do indeed have consequences. This is why the United States has taken such huge possession of France, the Benelux countries, Italy and Germany and made them American territories where Americans have special ethnic preferences over the indigenous people of those countries. Right?
Well done, well written, and I think an extraordinarily fair appraisal of how both sides articulate their own justifications and desires.
You forgot to add that the Arabs left their homes under the orders of their Muslim leaders, with a view to slaughtering all the Jews and returning in a few weeks. The Jews won, though.
You also didn’t mention that the majority of “Palestinians” came from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey and other surrounding countries, as signified by their surnames - Al Masri, al Labni etc. They came looking for work and money in the building process of Israel.
Islam plays a huge role in this dispute too. Muslims have an ideology that says they can never, ever relinquish land they have colonised.
I appreciate the effort, especially to the detail. This is our problem, we an exercise in logic matters, in Jewish culture it does, it Arab culture it doesn't.
We're Jews, we talk people to death, even Moses on Sinai talked to much.
The truth is that the Palestinians love death in their support of Hamas. Palestinians have trained their children to hate Jews and to seek to die for Allah as they kill jews or non Muslims. If the Palestinians laid down their weapons they would have peace. But if Israel were to lay down their weapons they would be massacred. That's the simple truth! You can't have peace with those who wish you dead. Wake up, understand the idealogy of radical Islam that it cannot coexist with those who will not convert to Islam and become slaves obeying without questions those who rule over them.
And the problem is that this hatred towards Jews and infidels is not only taught to the Palestinian Arabs but it's one of the main pillars of Quran teachings.
Freedom of religion is not in their book. Peace with infidels is neither, unless the infidel converts to islam - in order to save its life.
According to the Quran:
- Jews are considered the ultimate sinners
- Jews are accused of having altered the Torah
- Jews have refused to accept and submit to Mohamed & his ideology
- Jews are therefore legitimid targets to be killed
The ultimate goal of this religious ideology is to spread islam on a global scale. The global caliphate.
Islam literally means SUBMISSION.
One has difficulty to comprehend Islamic teachings and their hatred towards Jews, especially since their Quran teachings are based on the biblical scriptures - beginning with the Torah 🤷🏽♀️
If you want to train people to hate Israeli Jews, you need to do little more than continuously drop 2000 bombs charitably given to Israel by the United States on those people, killing their grandparents, mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers, friends, etc. in the most gruesome way possible. A 2000 pound bomb has a kill radius of 360 meters and a kill diameter that is over seven football fields long. This is not a great way to make people see the merits of your arguments.
Perhaps we could list a series of quotes by the disciples of the terrorist rabbi Meir Kahane, Ben-Gvir and Smotrich (both of them are very senior members in the Israeli cabinet) to see who really worships death and destruction on the basis of pure tribal racism. Until recently, the idiotic Ben-Gvir had a picture of the mass murderer Baruch Goldstein hanging in a place of honor on his living room wall. Some things you just cannot make up nor can you gild the lily on them, Daniel.
As a South Asian, standing up for the Jewish state, I draw some parallels from -70 Years of the Radcliffe Line: Understanding the Story of Indian Partition…
Can the Palestinians stop their dream-
“Keep fighting, Jewish state will be defeated?”
Can there be an end to a holy war, divinely ordained and scripturally sanctioned?
Is complete destruction of Israel as an essential condition for the liberation of Palestine?
In India there are problems too with "radical islamism" . The problem is that islam is radical and does not seek peace. It searches submission by conquests.
PS: I am aware that you are presenting the story as told by the Arabs who lived in Israel while the Jews were in exile. Don’t they themselves factor in the tenets of Islam? As in, kill all the Jews and other nonbelievers?
At the end of the day, land belongs to those willing and able to hold it.
History is fascinating and useful but does not change the above.
I appreciate your writing.
Thank you for reading.
At the end of the day is a long time away.
East Jerusalem as its capital, This is a Turkish Statement (sentiment) Moscow Tehran & Ankara. @Alan Dershowitz The dictators want Ottoman Controlled Middle East just like Russia wants Belarus & Ukraine and China wants Taiwan and South China Sea Dominance
Don’t most Palestinian Arabs want all of Israel as their state?
Don’t most Israelis want all of Palestine, including what is now Israel, as their state, with this including East Jerusalem, and Judea and Samaria (the last two equating to what most of us called the West Bank), and Gaza?
When are you written the next (final?) essay?
Good question. I got pulled into other things. I hope soon. I didn't forget.
Palpatines and Palpatine-supporters have ruined these colours of me. Even the Italian flag of my grandparents’ homeland triggers me. 😖
Exactly precise 100 % in that case china is the ancestors of all European Civilisation for Europe and Middle East Europe Britain Punished Ottoman Empire basically Mongols for siding with Nazis two times 1Once WWI second WW2. covertly @Alan Dershowitz and Goat herders in the Arabian Peninsula became the Saudis
Israel dances to Hamas' tune. They pay ransom for hostages, and pardon mass murderers on the orders of Hamas. In what can only be described as masochism on a national level, Israel sends former hostages around the world to do personal appearances as if to celebrate Israeli victimhood. Israel should be celebrating it's war heroes instead. When Israel decided to let a thousand killers loose in exchange for one hostage 15 years ago, it meant there was a price on every Israeli's head. Israelis hoped it would be different this time. It's only gotten worse.
https://substack.com/@williamtuesday?utm_source=notes_context&utm_content=user%2F19585297
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This discussion is a foolish waste of time. All prospects for a two state solution died in the mid-90’s when the sort of Israelis who now occupy Netanyahu’s cabinet killed the great Rabin.
The only possible solution now is a one state solution and the questions relate to whether this will be a state devoid of apartheid, Bantustans, land theft by squatters, ethic preferences, and ethnic cleansing. Both tribes in Palestine need to commit to living in peace and they would be wise to recognize that the rest of the world has long since grown tired of their Hutus versus Tutsis Rwanda style routine.
Thank you so much for taking the time to read and leave a comment. I love your passion. I hope you'll share my writing with your friends and family and encourage them to leave comments also. I read them all.
Thank you for your kind comment. I genuinely wish you peace.